tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post8849528479905544642..comments2024-02-20T16:22:10.042-05:00Comments on Tuit Nutrition: Stop Saying "Ketogenic" When You Mean Low CarbAmy B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08471580967464668110noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-3146052681758868432016-07-08T00:30:07.509-04:002016-07-08T00:30:07.509-04:00Sounds spot-on to me!Sounds spot-on to me!Tuit Nutritionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708859914305178756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-4183428558057428622016-06-28T23:45:41.244-04:002016-06-28T23:45:41.244-04:00Fully agree with Wendy and Amy. Fully agree with Wendy and Amy. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986997101167229538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-58082071275345806972016-06-28T23:31:28.395-04:002016-06-28T23:31:28.395-04:00Great article Amy. Thanks. I have been looking for...Great article Amy. Thanks. I have been looking for something like this for a while as I am all confused with what people are saying on LCD and KD in Facebook. People micromanaging what they are eating to the level of grams which I don't do. Kind of make me worried if I am doing it wrongly all this while. I want to enjoy my food without having worrying whether do I eat too much fat or protein, as long as I stay low carbs. I'm healthy and fit, free from diseases and there is no reason for me to go into KD. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986997101167229538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-71049621985887695192015-11-26T05:20:06.551-05:002015-11-26T05:20:06.551-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Henrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-85342860488029315482015-07-13T12:20:38.975-04:002015-07-13T12:20:38.975-04:00"it's actually really freakin' hard t..."it's actually really freakin' hard to help people" ... I can well imagine your frustration. :-) hang in there, Amy -- you're REALLY performing a service!tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-60307670546868380222015-07-09T17:09:43.535-04:002015-07-09T17:09:43.535-04:00YMMV indeed, but you'll never truly know unles...YMMV indeed, but you'll never truly know unless you have an insulin assay done, as has been shown by Kraft and Reaven (discussed recently by various people).<br /><br />I am strictly keto because it works best for me - I find it easiest to follow and keeps various conditions under control. I care little about cholesterol, etc. You can't worry about everything. But my wife does eat PHD ratios and has little inclination to do otherwise. She feels great, has perfect weight control, and 'healthy' markers. But, nevertheless, both her parents are frank diabetics, as are her siblings. Would PHD stop her from becoming IR/diabetic (in situ)? Who knows. Not her, not me, not Paul Jaminet. It's all just pure guesswork and hoping for the best as she does not know her insulin response which Kraft has shown to predate blood sugar issues by a decade or more. So everyone has to make their own decisions, but I remain unconvinced by moderate carb diets and 'safe' starches, simply because without an insulin assay you cannot know what is safe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-15220636164849475672015-07-09T15:14:24.154-04:002015-07-09T15:14:24.154-04:00I came up as hypothyroid when I was about 4 or 5 m...I came up as hypothyroid when I was about 4 or 5 months into low carb, but when I sat down and calculated my caloric intake I was surprised that it was very low--about 900 to 1100 k/cal a day. I was referred to an endocrinologist who assured me that my low caloric intake could NOT be responsible for the hypothyroidism (measured only by TSH, thanks to my HMO). She threw an Rx at me for Synthroid which I did not take. <br /><br />I upped my calories to 1200 to 1400 and my thyroid was back in a "normal" range when it was next tested. The endocrinologist congratulated herself for guessing the right dosage off the bat on the Synthroid and when I told her I never took it she still wanted me to??? <br /><br />N=1, but caloric intake, not low carbing, had an impact on my thyroid. JanKnitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06178703790352191912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-50775774774011114112015-07-09T04:57:44.381-04:002015-07-09T04:57:44.381-04:00Actually we already have an effect at 140g-CHO/day...Actually we already have an effect at 140g-CHO/day as measured by Gannon and Nuttall in <a href="http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.full.pdf" rel="nofollow">Effect of a High-Protein, Low-Carbohydrate Diet on Blood Glucose Control in People With Type 2 Diabetes</a> (2004), as <a href="http://feinmantheother.com/2013/12/27/american-diabetes-association-embraces-low-carbohydrate-diets/" rel="nofollow">commented by Feinman</a> (<a href="http://novuelvoaengordar.com/2015/05/30/control-de-la-glucosa-con-una-dieta-baja-en-carbohidratos-en-personas-con-diabetes-tipo-2/" rel="nofollow">and Vicente in Spanish</a>).<br />Serdnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796814118563496293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-59329903889815503072015-07-08T18:39:22.905-04:002015-07-08T18:39:22.905-04:00Re: young women not eating enough calories and the...Re: young women not eating enough calories and then blaming the LC diet for their health problems, I agree. I noticed the problem a few years ago when IF, crossfit, and eating vegetables literally by the pound were all in vogue. And their health problems would suddenly go away when they ate "more carbs" like sweet potatoes (served with coconut oil or butter, no doubt)--aka more calories.Lori Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02612141535162268390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-26549977485038687752015-07-08T11:58:53.950-04:002015-07-08T11:58:53.950-04:00I'm with ya, Tess. I've found a few things...I'm with ya, Tess. I've found a few things in PHD that resonate with me, but there were others that I was calling BS on in my mind. Some of the logic is spurious. I think the same principle applies to PHD as should apply to any other dietary advice: take that which is helpful and discard the rest. (I am butchering a Bruce Lee quote there.) And I'm also with ya on the goitrogen & nightshade issue. (And extend that to everything else: salicylates, histamines, etc.) I recognize that removing particular elements from the diet is hugely helpful for some people. And people with clusters of odd, unresolved symptoms should look into some of those intolerances as possibly being the culprit(s). <br /><br />I do think, though, that some of the scare-mongering is leading people to fear foods that are actually not problematic at all -- *for them.* This is why I have so much self-doubt and am in "existential crisis" mode as a nutritionist. It's so much more complicated than people realize, and it's actually really freakin' hard to help people! Aaaaah! A good, basic low carb diet will take many people a great deal of the way, but when it comes to the nitty gritty of resolving those last little nagging health issues, or dropping the last few stubborn pounds, the possibilities of what to try are endless.<br /><br />My new motto needs to be: The more I learn, the less I know. (If only I would stop reading so damn much, I'd probably feel like the world's most informed expert!)Amy B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08471580967464668110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-26882833704433679872015-07-08T10:52:04.999-04:002015-07-08T10:52:04.999-04:00In my experience, the danger of the Jaminets' ...In my experience, the danger of the Jaminets' notions is that they SOUND logical, but do not pan out in real life. "Common sense is the sense that tells us the earth is flat." A couple of years ago, i have their ideas a try, and ended up gaining weight ... because what seems reasonable when it comes to fat gain/loss just ISN'T TRUE.<br /><br />And you must also remember that "being afraid of broccoli" is a rational thing, if one is sensitive to goitrogens. Ditto, for nightshades. Some of us really don't tolerate vegetables well, and if we're happy limiting ourselves, forcing our microbiomes to "help" us ferment them more is NOT a great idea.tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-19004499284520274122015-07-08T09:41:55.990-04:002015-07-08T09:41:55.990-04:00Good point. I think I'd like to see it even lo...Good point. I think I'd like to see it even lower, though, maybe like 100g/day, but we do need some kind of standard. There are too many studies out there that call 40% CHO "low carb." And yeah, maybe compared to 50-60% CHO, like a typical American diet, 40% *is* low, but it's probably not low *enough* to induce the metabolic improvements we expect from LC diets. (And now that I think more about it, 150g as a maximum is probably pretty good...especially compared to the 250g+ many people typically consume.)Tuit Nutritionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708859914305178756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-86432624587313790872015-07-08T09:41:12.933-04:002015-07-08T09:41:12.933-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tuit Nutritionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708859914305178756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-61985553161175456952015-07-08T09:32:47.319-04:002015-07-08T09:32:47.319-04:00To be honest, sometimes I hover at the verge of gi...To be honest, sometimes I hover at the verge of giving up, myself! Whatever education I have in all this, I'm still not immune to the confusion and frustration. I would say the hardest thing about finding what works is just that: finding what works. Is that going to be low-carb? Full-on keto? Strict Paleo? More vegetables and safe starches? It's enough to make anyone's head spin -- including mine! I think we just need to focus on what our goals are, and what the most likely path is that will get us there from our starting point. And after a while, if things aren't going in that direction, re-evaluate and try something different. I find that some people don't give their bodies enough time to adjust to certain things, and maybe they hop from approach to approach every 2 weeks. Well, no wonder things are all over the map. ;-)<br /><br />I'm almost done reading Jaminet's book, and it's been fascinating. I must admit, I've been more and more intrigued by the zero-plant angle, but PHD makes so much sense and is so reasonable. People are starting to become afraid of broccoli, for cryin' out loud. (And like I said, there *are* people who do really well on little to no plant matter. I get that. But people [like me!] who don't absolutely require that drastic a strategy are starting to question eating innocuous -- and delicious -- things like zucchini, red peppers, etc.) In fact, I learned something very interesting about myself and my own nutrition from PHD -- something that explains a couple of anomalies in bloodwork I had done recently. Blog post about that coming soon. I've changed my diet a little and already feel better, after just a few days. And that said, the changes don't involve white rice and potatoes. Even if a certain strategy works well, we still have to tinker with it to make it ideal for ourselves as individuals, and total carbohydrate intake is probably one of the most important factors of all.<br /><br />P.S. I eat peanuts! (Probably way too many, in fact. Damn those insanely delicious Trader Joe's blister peanuts...)Tuit Nutritionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708859914305178756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-77795319185664789902015-07-08T09:06:41.368-04:002015-07-08T09:06:41.368-04:00And thank YOU for this nice note. :) I've had...And thank YOU for this nice note. :) I've had to talk a couple of clients down from the ledge, so to speak. People really drive themselves nuts with the numbers, and the measurements, and the micromanaging, and it really works against health and wellness in some ways. Tracking data serves a useful purpose, but the end goal is to *feel well* (and look good, for some people). People might be surprised that having the lowest possible glucose at all times, or the highest possible ketones, doesn't always go hand-in-hand with that goal. At some point, you have to just eat and live. People forget how much stress and "food fear" can impact the way the body works, regardless of how "clean" or "perfect" the diet is. <br /><br />I try to be a voice of reason, because things are so contentious, and that's not helping anyone.<br /><br />Tuit Nutritionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708859914305178756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-50848357502569779932015-07-08T08:12:57.229-04:002015-07-08T08:12:57.229-04:00Not that I disagree on the practical advice but I ...Not that I disagree on the practical advice but I think <a href="http://endobioticselfexperimentation.blogspot.com.es/2015/04/low-carb-diets-and-weight-loss-long-term.html" rel="nofollow">an absolute, non-arbitrary definition of <i>low carb</i></a> is needed in order to clasify research correctly. I think 150g-CHO/day is it.<br />Serdnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796814118563496293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-1305567640461760502015-07-08T07:30:08.094-04:002015-07-08T07:30:08.094-04:00That was my response, to, when the anti-keto attac...That was my response, to, when the anti-keto attach came out at Paleofx (or another conference) - we have so much more in common than we have differences!!! Please, no circular fitting squads!<br />And, the idea promoted within keto and LC communities, that we need to check our blood sugar all the time, when we *are not diabetic* is just exhausting (not to mention wasteful). Same with measuring ketones, and buying a freaking $200 tool to do it! It's not a coincidence, I think, that the people promoting these beliefs, while big names, usually have no professional training / experience in nutrition or medicine. We *need* people like you - with this training/experience - to weigh in, so thank you for doing so. Wendy ghttp://fitteratfortyish.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-52958378310142269532015-07-08T02:27:35.476-04:002015-07-08T02:27:35.476-04:00Great post, I needed this, a voice of common sense...Great post, I needed this, a voice of common sense in this crazy world of diet/health/nutrition. I just want to say though from the point of view of 'us' out there, can you blame us with all the conflicting information? You got ZCers, Rosedale etc on one end warning that all glucose is bad..Kiefer as you mention is LC but we NEED a carbnite every now to 'reset'..JM who thinks we should nom the butter, Jaminet who says we should eat rice ...Richard Nik who believes we should add the taters and starches..Mark says peanuts are bad but Bill says they're good..and then Carbsane who thinks EVERYONE is wrong...aghhh....it's a wonder we don't just give up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com