tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post410446884553983823..comments2024-02-20T16:22:10.042-05:00Comments on Tuit Nutrition: More Than You Ever Wanted to Know About Protein & GluconeogenesisAmy B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08471580967464668110noreply@blogger.comBlogger98125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-88988807665811951882022-02-12T18:44:20.003-05:002022-02-12T18:44:20.003-05:00NOT TRUE! The author can write as many as pages as...NOT TRUE! The author can write as many as pages as she wants, cite various studies and make up science to fit the belief but i know by my own n=1 experience if I eat a lot of protein while on keto, my FBG and average BG goes up. She provides a list of things protein is used for, the wording and presentation is trying hard to make it look like protein is used for a lot of things, hence more protein is a necessary. That list totally ignores the protein that is recycled. That is is why there are many low protein eaters that don't have protein nor muscle deficiency. I know an Iron man athlete that is very low protein. I don't agree this is good either. All I am saying is very high protein does trigger more GNG. And there are several CMG users ok forums I follow that have had the same experience as me. You can Google and you will find research that shows high protein drives up GNG in the context of Keto diet. Comparing fat vs protein GNG is ridiculous. Fat can be stored as fat and not wasted. Extra Protein (after protein fulfils the seemingly long list of things protein is needed for) is not wasted. That means it undergoes GNG and converted to energy to use or store. SunnyNChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122215061929013968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-66812817088691413242021-12-06T19:45:34.125-05:002021-12-06T19:45:34.125-05:00Jeff - I am in the same boat as you. It had been a...Jeff - I am in the same boat as you. It had been a couple years since you posted, so I wonder if you have any updates?<br /><br />To Tuit Nutrition - no need to say he is obsessing over it. It is a legitimate question to understand whats going on, even if purely for academic purpose. No progress has been made in science without some "obsession" so stop saying that everytime someone has a question that does not fit your "science"SunnyNChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122215061929013968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-2348448953257722812020-12-28T17:33:59.667-05:002020-12-28T17:33:59.667-05:00Came here from your link from your latest video ab...Came here from your link from your latest video about protein. Very good and detailed blog post. You sure do your research. ThanksCataloocheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01399377342170012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-74526708295000732362020-04-29T15:26:12.183-04:002020-04-29T15:26:12.183-04:00"If you’d like to check out a (formerly) type..."If you’d like to check out a (formerly) type-2 diabetic eating very large amounts of protein in one sitting, with basically no impact on blood glucose (or, actually, a beneficial impact!), see what Steve Cooksey (“Diabetes Warrior”) is doing." <br /><br />SITE DOWN: https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/diabetes-warrior-steve-cooksey-blog-jail/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-80490732671988385292020-01-01T04:54:33.884-05:002020-01-01T04:54:33.884-05:00Great! Reading this I think immediately at one asp...Great! Reading this I think immediately at one aspect missing for people concerned with raised BG and Insuline : cortisol and its interplay with Insuline making chronic stressed people or underslept people fat (and losing lean mass). It is so important, as it concerned so many so many people. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10139579762131312140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-76655600829032632692019-06-16T11:12:25.557-04:002019-06-16T11:12:25.557-04:00Great article
Have you written anything about wh...Great article <br /><br />Have you written anything about which circumstances do actually lead to gluconeogenisis? You see, I do think the original studies are limited or non existent even.<br /><br />My angle is this : I was a physique model - you may even say I was and am built like a bodybuilder. But, I can also run. This is what I did back in 2003, and I'm moving closer and closer to it now. Starting weight : 222 pounds. Finishing weight 3 months later : 194 pounds. Regime : 8 miles walking four times a week, 3 miles three times a week. Weight training : 1 hour six times a week. Running : 7 miles, five times a week. Calories (over last two months): 1500, 1500, 2300 as a continuous three day cycle. That's a huge, huge deficit considering the very low body fat levels I had even at 200 pounds. The biggest issue : I would eat probably 90 calories of carbs at 10 am, with 160 calories of protein. At 1.30 pm I might eat 300 calories of protein, 50 of carbs. At 4pm, 250 calories of fat and protein. And then at 8pm I'd eat all the rest (including 100g protein or even more) . My point about the biggest issue : my body needs glucose, doesn't it, at 8pm, if not before? Because it won't want all that protein for growth and maintenance, and it will favour glucose....or will i? I realise that in theory the 1000 calories I burn in the 7 mile run is more than fifty per cent driven by fat. Let's say for extreme argument's sake it's 90 per cent fat . But even though my body might 'need' fat and not carb, esp seen in the weight loss - if these aren't circumstances where gluconeogenisis occurs, what are? ? A big hulking man is doing 10 plus miles of aerobics a day and lots of heavy lifting, so in the time up to the evening meal he's virtually fasting isn't he?.... Is it simply the case that gluconeogenisis is happening, with a lag from each meal, and that much of the protein is used in this way? The brain and liver need the glucose don't they? But who says I'd need glycogen for muscles if I'm fat burning effectively ? What is actually going on with this enormous deficit and increase in fitness?<br /><br />PS yes, the 800 extra calories on day three were made up of whatever I wanted, ie mostly carbs and fats eg chocolate bars or sandwiches. <br />PPS my health and fitness was its best ever<br />PPPS I lost no muscle whatsoever.<br /><br />Adam Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692337035387918217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-62989227214203028062019-04-10T23:11:27.952-04:002019-04-10T23:11:27.952-04:00Really hard for me to speculate without knowing mo...Really hard for me to speculate without knowing more. Feel free to email me privately: tuitnutrition@gmail.com<br />You mentioned you haven't lost weight - are you *wanting* to lose weight? What is your current weight, age, and height? If you were eating a lot of cheese (like, *a lot*) that might have helped with the diarrhea, because for some people, dairy is constipating. That may have slowed things down for you, if your tendency was otherwise for your stools to be too loose and urgent. Tuit Nutritionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708859914305178756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-5676464106397816702019-04-10T23:09:42.174-04:002019-04-10T23:09:42.174-04:00Have you tried ox bile supplements? Did you have t...Have you tried ox bile supplements? Did you have this bowel problem before keto, on only ever since adopting a ketogenic diet?Tuit Nutritionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708859914305178756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-23015476043284915842019-04-10T17:46:42.748-04:002019-04-10T17:46:42.748-04:00Quote: "you, my friend, should charge scienti...Quote: "you, my friend, should charge scientists to study you, because you are quite the physiological oddity!" <br /><br />I think I am that oddity!! I have had diarrhea for more than a year. I have a bowel movement within about half hour after eating. Because of this I only eat once a day. I have not lost weight. I am keto and have been for 2 years (except for 6 months in which I ate to many nuts and cheese). Interestingly, I did not have diarrhea during this time. I have no gallbladder. I eat very few veggies. I have not had dairy in 2 weeks. We mostly eat pork. Now, I’m trying a pork free diet. Today, I started trying kefir grains made in coconut milk.<br /><br />Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!<br />Emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08043898787254658496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-3575260045876906652019-04-10T17:33:14.274-04:002019-04-10T17:33:14.274-04:00Quote: "then you, my friend, should charge sc...Quote: "then you, my friend, should charge scientists to study you, because you are quite the physiological oddity!" I think I might just be that oddity!! I have had diarrhea for more than a year (except for about 6 months in which I ate to many nuts and cheese. I eat keto but very little vegetables. I've cut out milk products. For the last 2 weeks I've had no veggies. I eat and within about 1/2 I'm running for the toilet. I eat once a day for this reason. I have no gall bladder. I don't add fat. I only eat what comes with the meat. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciate. Stool test, a year ago, showed no parasites or bacteria. I have not lost weight.<br />Emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08043898787254658496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-613395604841730772019-02-05T22:30:35.786-05:002019-02-05T22:30:35.786-05:00Hi Jeff, honestly, I would have to know more about...Hi Jeff, honestly, I would have to know more about your situation before I could speculate as to what might be happening. My advice for you is to STOP MEASURING SO MUCH. Just trust the process and be patient. If you stay very low carb, good things will happen, as it sounds like they still are (weight loss is continuing successfully, dawn phenomenon is improving). Try not to obsess over the numbers. You will make yourself crazy, and the stress and anxiety from that can affect your blood sugar, y'know. ;-) It sounds like you're actually doing quite well and this might be a case where you almost know too much for your own good and are going to make yourself agitated over the minutia. Stay the course and let the magic happen. <br /><br />I'd be happy to offer some more concrete advice, but I can't do that without knowing more details about your exact circumstances. See here if you might be interested in a consultation sometime: http://www.tuitnutrition.com/p/services.htmlTuit Nutritionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708859914305178756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-58135495957747719742019-02-05T16:26:10.434-05:002019-02-05T16:26:10.434-05:00Super post.
I have had success with Keto but hit ...Super post.<br /><br />I have had success with Keto but hit a standstill with slowly rising BG readings over time that maintains steady throughout the day. I am not diabetic, but obese and have dropped 38 lbs, about 90 to go. Dr. took one look at my gut and pronounced me IR, which is pretty darn obvious I guess.<br /><br />An odd part of this was at one point, with slowly rising BG and rock steady ketones at 0.3, if I ate a small bag of carrots as a test, my BG would lower to the low 90's from 115ish almost immediately and ketones would rise to 0.8 very quickly. Makes me think that something is inhibiting an insulin release, as if there is a threshold of BG increase that now is required to trigger insulin.<br /><br />Got frustrated and ate a whole Costco bag of berries with cream one night, normal BG/insulin response, back to base after 1.5 hours. A few days later, did a donut test (one donut in the name of science) and the same, no BG lowering just BG spike and insulin response bringing me back to baseline of 110ish.<br /><br />Protein does not create an insulin spike, sometimes a small rise, then back to slowly rising baseline.<br /><br />Decided to go full elimination and am going keto/carnivore for few of weeks to see what happens. Fatty meat, no exogenous ketones other than cream in coffee. Nothing else. 16/8 IF done as well.<br /><br />At first, FBG went down to low 90's, even low 80's after dinner, before bed (lunch being my largest meal) and ketones went to 0.5-0.8 consistently, weight loss followed. <br /><br />However, after 1.5 weeks BG is now creeping up again now to low 100's, which maintain steady during the day until late afternoon, ketones stay in the 0.3-0.4 range with BG > 100 which is close to a level that resulted in no weight loss over 3 weeks previous. So far still seeing weight loss. I'm not doing carrots during this test, so no input there. Carnivore did a bit of a reset for me, but the pattern continues.<br /><br />So my only food intake is meat and a little cream (< 8 oz per day). Yet slowly rising BG is coming from something. Steady I could understand but why the steady rise?<br /><br />Carnivore has also eliminated the dawn effect, which used to be in the 115-118 range (non-diabetic) and would stay all day until late afternoon at times. Some days it would hit, some days not.<br /><br />So with only protein and fat, very elemental forms (straight fresh meat and cream only), BG is slowly rising suggesting that either protein or fat is generating glucose above what would be an optimal non-diebetic level or something is interfering with insulin release hence the slow creep.<br /><br />Any ideas? My tightly controlled experience seems to indicate that either I require blood glucose in the 100+ range or that a supply of protean and fat alone is creating glucose and perhaps inhibiting an insulin release/response (the carrot test).<br /><br />Very confused given all the theory and test results. <br /><br />ok, to be honest, driving me nuts.<br /><br /> - JeffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-19989239213996753432019-01-17T07:14:27.029-05:002019-01-17T07:14:27.029-05:00Thanks Amy for your reply. It’s just out of academ...Thanks Amy for your reply. It’s just out of academic interest I want to know if supplementing BCAA would throw me out of ketosis. My goal is always fat loss though.Somhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00773640299076834984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-6625097358437651092019-01-16T11:24:40.137-05:002019-01-16T11:24:40.137-05:00Sorry for the delayed reply.
It really depends on ...Sorry for the delayed reply.<br />It really depends on your goals. *Why* are you interested in BCAA supplementation? I wouldn't worry about GNG from BCAAs if you're active, healthy, and fit. You might not "need" them, but if you feel like they help your athletic performance or give you a boost in terms of muscle building, they're probably fine. Depends on your goals, though, and your current health status. Tuit Nutritionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708859914305178756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-72826783539997776992019-01-09T21:55:13.313-05:002019-01-09T21:55:13.313-05:00Hi, I just want to know as I heard from some nutri...Hi, I just want to know as I heard from some nutritionist that supplementing only BCAA is not advisable due to their gluconeogenic nature. Going through you article, I understand, it has nothing to do with you getting out of ketosis...pls let me know if I’m comprehending correctly in case of only BCAAs also..Somhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00773640299076834984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-42737481475699598122018-11-17T14:14:37.422-05:002018-11-17T14:14:37.422-05:00I would love to get your feed back on my blog @ ht...I would love to get your feed back on my blog @ https://www.myketoinfo.com it's a bunch of information that I have gathered through various resources, and compiled together.Testhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01209697632999005990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-40947431881220177932018-09-26T16:38:01.755-04:002018-09-26T16:38:01.755-04:00Thanks! Glad it was helpful. :) And yes, I listene...Thanks! Glad it was helpful. :) And yes, I listened to that podcast when it first came out. Huge fan of Dr. Naiman! I think 90% of my blog posts are just me stealing and rewriting things I've heard him say. ;-)Tuit Nutritionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708859914305178756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-63912775610808897142018-09-26T16:16:47.365-04:002018-09-26T16:16:47.365-04:00This is the best and most comprehensive article I&...This is the best and most comprehensive article I've seen on the myths of protein overconsumption and gluconeogenesis.<br />Thank you! By the way, have you heard KetoGeek podcast interview with Dr. Ted Naiman in March, 2018 titled 'The Importance Of Protein And Myths About Protein Overconsumption?' Ted may have got his knowledge and notes from you...<br />https://ketogeek.com/blogs/news/episode-25-the-importance-of-protein-myths-about-protein-overconsumption-dr-ted-naimanKitKatKatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06619261584276352214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-2274106542550065372018-07-18T21:23:08.405-04:002018-07-18T21:23:08.405-04:00Exactly. The body will make the glucose as needed....Exactly. The body will make the glucose as needed. GNG is nothing to fear on a ketogenic diet. In fact, it's part of the reason people can do keto long term and there's no harm of insufficient glucose in the body.Tuit Nutritionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708859914305178756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-33565963930215220992018-07-18T13:48:05.276-04:002018-07-18T13:48:05.276-04:00So eating protein doesn't just trigger GNG &qu...So eating protein doesn't just trigger GNG "just because". There has to be a reason, being it doesn't have glucose. My question is, doesnt being on a ketogenic diet give the body reason to convert those amino acid to glucose because it is lacking it from other sources (carbs)? What better reason to trigger GNG?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-7995426269792144472018-07-12T10:49:00.672-04:002018-07-12T10:49:00.672-04:00great post, but i do keto because of the gaba/glut...great post, but i do keto because of the gaba/glutamte balance and gaba receptors increaseAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00800375013773720968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-3745043124820957022018-06-18T21:38:04.638-04:002018-06-18T21:38:04.638-04:00Hi Amy - I really enjoyed this post. One possible...Hi Amy - I really enjoyed this post. One possible correction: You said, "...and maybe also tell skeletal muscle to break down proteins to release amino acids that can be used as fuel or sent to the liver, to be converted into glucose. " I am pretty sure that this cannot happen. You may want to delete that or if I am wrong, tell me why. I also appreciate your detailed replies to peoples' comments. I just found your site, but have already saved a bunch of links to continue reading. I'm a type 1 diabetic and have been experimenting lately with eating once a day & other methods to better control my blood sugar. I find that it really helps to understand what is going on when making food / insulin decisions. Thank you for the detailed post!!Brian Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002939644062470690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-19787967542444538152018-06-10T10:32:54.077-04:002018-06-10T10:32:54.077-04:00Hi Victoria, no, I do not supplement with any extr...Hi Victoria, no, I do not supplement with any extra fiber. For most people, it's totally unnecessary, and in some people, it might even cause harm (gastric distress, bloating, etc). There's actually a growing number of people experimenting with a "zero carb" diet -- no plant material of fiber AT ALL, and many of them are absolutely thriving, when they didn't quite have resolution of all their symptoms even on a LCHF/ketogenic diet. The notion that we "need" fiber for the microbiome is actually not correct. We do not *require* fiber at all, although some people do just fine with it. Many do not do so well with a lot of fiber.Tuit Nutritionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708859914305178756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-77465802771164042812018-06-07T20:53:00.410-04:002018-06-07T20:53:00.410-04:00Totally off protein subject, but do you ever suppl...Totally off protein subject, but do you ever supplement with fiber like PHGG or FOS? I know some folks are careful to get in enough whole food fiber while reducing CHO/hanging out in ketosis, but it also seems like more folks than not are lacking in important microbiome fodder. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02498882575870360590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833628955058077617.post-29166384260035511882018-06-06T09:17:18.561-04:002018-06-06T09:17:18.561-04:00Good stuff...thanks, Victoria! I'm actually go...Good stuff...thanks, Victoria! I'm actually going to be increasing my own protein intake and cutting back on fat a bit, as I'd like to lose some body fat that's been hanging around for a while. Time to show it the door! ;-)Tuit Nutritionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708859914305178756noreply@blogger.com